change retention time with Gas Saver Time

Dear Colleagues,

I have GC-FID 8890 and i'm using Gas saver feature but I'm observing when I change time of gas saver , the retention time is changed.

for instance, I set gas saver at 20 ml/min after 2 min then inject methanol and the RT is 4.74 but when I change time to 15 min, the RT of methanol become 7.9 min!.

I'm very confused what's the relation between gas saver and retention time ??.

The column flow 2ml/min.

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  • Hi, 

    Are you running split or splitless inlet conditions?  What is your total inlet flow at the time of injection?   Have you tried to run the split vent trap diagnostic to see if you have some restriction in the line?

  • Hi Dear,
    my mode is split and its flow 200ml/min.
    total flow is 205 ml/min.
    how i can run this diagnosis ?

  • Good morning!  Thanks for running these experiments.  I have a few suggestions and follow-up questions.  

    Were you able to run the split vent restriction test I mentioned earlier in the thread?  What were the results?

    I suggest also running the Leak and Restriction test from the same menu. 

    Have you recently changed liners?  What is the part number of your current liner?  

    Did you see the response of your methanol peak change with the increased column flow?  I would also be interested to see how the RTs behave if you run 3 repeat injections under the same conditions.   

    Do you have access to a flowmeter and/or leak detector?  

  • Abbey, I hope you're doing well and am grateful for your follow-up.

    i implemented what you recommended.

    Were you able to run the split vent restriction test I mentioned earlier in the thread?  What were the results?

    yes, sir 

    for the split vent restriction test, I opened the split valve ( that I circulated in the attached photo ) then I did the test and passed.

    I suggest also running the Leak and Restriction test from the same menu. 

    I also did it and passed.

    Have you recently changed liners?  What is the part number of your current liner?  

    No, I never changed the linear and for type and part number, kindly review the attached photo.

    Did you see the response of your methanol peak change with the increased column flow?  I would also be interested to see how the RTs behave if you run 3 repeat injections under the same conditions.   

    for the response of methanol to the increased column flow, I attached the results files, and the flow value is known by sample name and considering normal = 4ml/min.

    for measuring repeatability of injections, kindly review the attached result files.

    Do you have access to a flowmeter and/or leak detector?  

    unfortunately, I don't have.

  • I posted a reply but it needs approval from the moderator because it has a lot of photos and result files.

  • Hi Abbey,

    I look forward to knowing your diagnosis.

  • Greetings, and thank you for compiling all of this information!  

    A few comments.  On the diagnostic tests, you don't need to open any connections for them to run.  The images on the instructions just describe the system control applied for that test.  The split vent test is actually testing the filter restriction in the housing between the Swagelok fitting circled and the vent on top of that metal housing, so we should reconnect everything and re-run that test to be sure there are no issues.  

    Liner selection is good, and is my personal go-to liner for split methods.  

    Quickly compiling the basics from your flow variation, I see the following

    Flow Rate RT Area

    4mL/min

    4.56 16070
    5mL/min 5.63 20088
    7mL/min 3.68 11089

    For the repeatability, 

    Injection # RT Area

    1

    7.24 15069

    2

    7.15 17452
    3 7.26

    16403

    The repeatability seems good for manual injections.  However, the RTs are significantly later than the flow rate runs, so I presume this is using the original method with the flow ramp on the column and Gas Saver enabled?  

    Comparing both sets of data, the RT seems off for the 4mL/min run.  I would expect the 4mL/min RT to be longer than the 5mL/min.  Was there any flow programming or differences in injection for that first run?  

  • For repeability, the gas saver was off and the column flow was constant at 4ml/min.

    Yes, I repeat split vent restriction test without open valve by myself and passed.

    Comparing both sets of data, the RT seems off for the 4mL/min run.  I would expect the 4mL/min RT to be longer than the 5mL/min.  Was there any flow programming or differences in injection for that first run?  

    The three runs was exactly the same condition ( flow rate constant )

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  • For repeability, the gas saver was off and the column flow was constant at 4ml/min.

    Yes, I repeat split vent restriction test without open valve by myself and passed.

    Comparing both sets of data, the RT seems off for the 4mL/min run.  I would expect the 4mL/min RT to be longer than the 5mL/min.  Was there any flow programming or differences in injection for that first run?  

    The three runs was exactly the same condition ( flow rate constant )

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