How to fix Baseline drifted down with water injection or change injection volume

Hi All,

I need help to fix either baseline drifted down or change volume injection of water samples in GC/FID.

 

Specifically, I am setting up a new GC instrument for analysis of methanol and alcohols in water samples with the following conditions:

- Instrument: Agilent 6890 with FID detector

- Column:  DB1, 60m length, 0.53mm, film 3 micron, temp limits: 60-260 oC, column flow 7ml/min

- Purge flow:  65 mL/min @ 0.01 min. Gas saver 20 ml/mi @ 2min, Mode splitless with H2 gas.

- Autosampler: Agilent 7683B

- Conditions: Initial Temp 60oC, increase 15oC/min to 120oC, then increase 25 oC/min to 220 oC.

- Detector temp: 300 oC, H2 flow 35 ml/min, Air flow 300 ml/min, make up flow 30 ml/min

- Signal: Data base 20Hz, minimum peak width 0.01 min

- Injection of 1 microL water sample using 10 microL syringe at 200 oC will create a vapor volume about 1.3 mL water vapor.

- Liner: steel line from Restek

 

It seems the water vapor volume is larger than the internal volume of the liner or FID detector is cooled down with a large vapor amount, chromatogram always shows a big baseline drifted down about 2 min. This well was initially covered the methanol peak. I had to optimize with temp program, column flow and purge flow.

DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION TO REMOVE THE BASELINE DRIFTED DOWN TO FORM A WELL?

 

Purge  and column flows are two key factors to shift methanol peak off the well. However, the injections are not consistent with 30% bias with the sample spike concentration, especially with a high purge flow.

 

Autosampler  Agilent  7683 step motor  ONLY allows injecting 0.5 microL with 5 microL syringe or 1 microL with 10 microL syringe.

 

Then, I switched to injecting 0.5 microL water sample (vapor volume about 0.7 mL) with 5 microL syringe. The early well was still present about 2min, but the methanol was off well.

All the alcohol standard curves were perfect. The injection results were reproducible. Analysis was successful. However, the plunger of 5 microL syringe was too FLIMSY and  broken all the time, especially with sticky samples. It is too costly. I had to switch back to injecting 1 microL with 10 microL syringe.

COULD  YOU PLEASE SUGGEST ANY 5 microL syringe with a THICK plunger? or any autosampler or modification of autosampler can inject 0.5 microL of water samples with a 10 microL syringe?

In brief, 0.5 microL injection gave perfect results, but no practical with a large amount of samples due to broken Plunger.

1 microL injection gave inconsistent results.

 

Thanks a lot for any suggestion

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  • Hi huuanh,

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    There is a lot of detail in your post. I will address some of the questions and hope others jump in. The biggest problem with water is exactly what you have found, vapour volume. This type of application maybe better suited for headspace. Having said that, if direct injection is the only method available, then minimizing injection volume and the addition of a pressure pulse maybe your only options. Vapour volume exceeding the volume of the liner will lead to future problems with carryover and possible inlet contamination. I also suspect water vapour  is playing a role in suppressing the signal on the fid.

    If 5ul syringes seem to be working there is selection of different syringes that maybe useful. A quick search of Agilents website gave me the below list.

    https://www.agilent.com/en/products/lab-supplies/chromatography-spectroscopy/syringes/gc-autosampler-syringes

     

     

    Regards

    James

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  • Hi huuanh,

    Tags have been updated for better visibility.

     

    There is a lot of detail in your post. I will address some of the questions and hope others jump in. The biggest problem with water is exactly what you have found, vapour volume. This type of application maybe better suited for headspace. Having said that, if direct injection is the only method available, then minimizing injection volume and the addition of a pressure pulse maybe your only options. Vapour volume exceeding the volume of the liner will lead to future problems with carryover and possible inlet contamination. I also suspect water vapour  is playing a role in suppressing the signal on the fid.

    If 5ul syringes seem to be working there is selection of different syringes that maybe useful. A quick search of Agilents website gave me the below list.

    https://www.agilent.com/en/products/lab-supplies/chromatography-spectroscopy/syringes/gc-autosampler-syringes

     

     

    Regards

    James

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