8355 SCD detector low response

I have my GC/SCD for analyzing butane samples. After I did maintenance on my pump for the SCD, I lost my signal. All I did was change and top off the oil. I was able to get a little response but the repeatability is not good. I use to get around 7000 area counts with my 10 ppm isopropyl mercaptan standard, but now I only get 2000. I tried changing both inner and outer tubes. I checked the reaction cell and the flow in the restrictor and it was good. I also just use oxygen for the ozone generator. Is there a recommended way for doing maintenance? Do I have to change everything when I do any maintenance? 

  • I am also facing similar issue. after PM, the response came down. replaced the pump oil, reaction tube. Base line is around 20. Response became 10 times lower. Did not find solution.

  • Hi,


    I only have very old experiences of the Sievers SCD, do not blame me if I am wrong

     

    pump maintenance:
    ... does the vacuum pressure remain the same after maintenance (as before)?
    ... is the pump out filter (oil mist filter) fine or could there be a minor blockage?
    I always wiped out the reaction cell (PMT through/filter) during every pump maintenance. Unfortunately the PMT has to be removed & the PMT can "age" quickly due to external light exposure (minimize exposure). Please read the manual carefully!

     

    ceramic tubes:
    * did you let the detector (ceramic tubes) cool down sufficiently before ventilating the pump?
        I had once heard that the ceramics can have a negative surface effect if ventilated incorrectly.
    * When changing the tubes, new ferrueles must also be used.


    outside burner :
    * Flows to the burner: have you checked or really measured the flows?

    * At that time I had checked for leaks from the burner by holding diluted liquid sulphur (mercaptan) to all screw connections. When the signal increased there was a leakage.

     

    regards, M.

  • Hello,

     

    pump oil mist filter:
    the pump used to be equipped with 2 filters.
    * The long l-shaped cylinder = ozone barrier (this should be changed regularly).
    * (experience on GC MS) the cubic oilmist filter can be overlooked as a PM part & the oil separator can soak up with oil if excessive gas ballast is used.
    For simple / short-term tests: remove the cube-shaped Oilmist filter & apply a suction hood to the pump.
    a) does the vacuum change?
    b) is the SCD sensitivity better?


    * vacuum pressure value: a very important value that I wrote down regularly. When the value has been determined, a sticker on the display can be helpful (then everyone should remember to always look at it), because poor vacuum explains a problem with the sensitivity.

     

    * the drop test: if possible do not let anything drip on it, so that there is no later overload of the SCD.

    It can be enough to open a small "smelly" sulfur vial & hold it on all screw connections, since many screw connections are under vacuum.

     

    * tighten / swaging all connectors:
    (Unless otherwise specified in the manual) Do not overtighten the connectors. Hand tight & maximum one 1/16 (- 1/8) turn. When the burner got hot, some seals may still be leaking; But the same applies here: gentle tightening (1/16 turn).
    But before I tight seals I always observed the vaccum value and used the "stinking" vial / drop.

     

    * wiping cleaning:
    sorry I wasn't clear: the PMT is only being removed & not cleaned! Cleaning is OK for: buner cell & filter disc with lint-free cloth & solvent.

     

    * ceramic tubes
    even if these parts cost something, I always swapped them in pairs, because the time until everything was conditioned took too long ;-)

     

    I cannot give taht many general recommendations because it was all 20 years ago.


    I suggest: asking Agilent here again what there is to be learned from experience/empirical values.
    best might be: based on these current tests and our own experience write a new message here with final question & actual SCD status.

     

    regards,

  • Hi mhardacker, 

    Thanks for responding. 

    For the pump maintenance - we always change to a new mist filter so there hopefully should be no issues for blockage. I also noticed blockage with the traps even though it is new, but we check the vacuum to make sure it was the same after the maintenance. I will try wiping the PMT. I never did that before after doing a maintenance.

    As for shutting down, I follow the manual - it does not say how long you should wait between steps. Do you have any suggestions? See pic below. What is your recommendation, should I always change both tubes once I take the SCD down? Is there other steps to make sure it works the same when I bring it back on?

    For the burner - I had my coworker check the flow with the flow meter and it looked good. Thanks for the advise on the leak check. I will try that and see. 

    Thanks!

  • Sorry, I tried to capture the section of the shutdown procedure I follow. It is page 56 from the Agilent 8355 Sulfur and 8255 Nitrogen Chemiluminescence Detectors manual - online pdf. 

  • Thanks for the input. I will try these out to see if I get a better response on the peak. Also, would you de-coke the tubes to activate the sensitivity? It seems like when I do de-coke, it doesn't make a change. 

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